Moon: Craig is
being modest. This baby is his brainchild and he was kind enough to let me play
along. He had the basic idea and we brainstormed over Crypticon weekend. We
spent weeks building the mythos and characters through phone calls and emails.
Over the next few months we started almost deconstructing the larger story we
had into all these different threads- each unique and able to add varying
dimensions to that story.
This is quite a departure from the fiction you’re both
known for. Did that make co-writing easier or more difficult?
DiLouie: As a
novelist, sure, it was hard to find my voice with poetry, but as a writer, it
was really just learning to ride a new type of bike. One I got into it, I had a
lot of fun. Really, in the end, getting the story right wasn’t the poetic
format but finding the characters and what they wanted to say. Once we created
these people and believed in them, we tuned into their silent screaming and
gave them a voice.
Jon was instrumental in all this. One of the first things he
said was, “We’re going to take these people seriously.” Which was the perfect
mindset for doing it right. As a result, we told their stories with respect and
something like love, allowing the horror to reveal itself in a natural way.
Otherwise, I find it easy to co-author something when you
let the other writer do their thing. I took on several characters and wrote
their poems, while Jon took on others. That provided even greater variety in
the voices and emotions for the ensemble cast of characters.
Moon: This came
together remarkably smooth in my opinion. I dabble in poetry, so it was fun to
build the story through poems. Working with Craig was very easy for me despite
our styles being so different. I felt like it was a welcome challenge to us
both to get outside of our various comfort zones to create something as intense
as what we envisioned together. We shared the goal of creating something
powerful early and once we had the core story we each had the freedom to create
the various lenses through which we present it.
How did you approach the research? Did you find
yourselves becoming emotional or overwhelmed with the source material?
DiLouie: The
storytelling was emotional for me in that you have these people who are just a
little broken but then find a family and a simple view of the confusing world
that makes sense to them. They believe with all their heart things are going to
change, and Jesus is coming back in their lifetime. That level of belief and
commitment leads to increasing isolation and self-immolation until the decision
comes down from the group’s leader that they aren’t waiting for Jesus, Jesus is
waiting for them. So you have this beautiful thing—family, sacrifice, hope,
faith, love—that slowly becomes perverted into something evil largely due to
these things being driven to the edge for a goal that just wasn’t going to
happen.
Otherwise, I read a lot about cults and why people join
them. The thing is people in cults don’t see themselves as cultists. To them,
they’re in a family of like-minded people. I was fascinated about the
psychology of it, how somebody could slowly and willingly lose their identity
and take a belief to the point of self-mutilation, murder, and suicide. I’m
hoping readers will come away from Children
of God not just with a good story but with some understanding of these
people. Even at the end, even after everything the survivors went through, some
of them still long for being back in the group. They may have left the cult,
but the cult never left them.
Moon: I have been
fascinated with cults since I was young. To me they represent so many things
about humans and our behaviors in groups outside of mainstream society in one
way or another. I have always wondered about them as group thought examples and
since watching the news reports of the Heaven’s Gate cult when I was in high
school I have focused as much on how each individual in that group can
personally get to the point of full dedication, even to the point of violating
their own socially excepted morals. We strongly focused on the religious
aspect, which as Craig mentioned, follows a trajectory from positivity and hope
to depraved and tragic violence. This was honestly a challenge to me in getting
into that kind of an all-consuming devoted mindset our characters shared.
What has been the general reception of this novel? Do you
think the mix of writing styles is a strength or weakness?
DiLouie: The poetry
collection has been very well received, but honestly, poetry is a hard sell,
and it’s difficult even to break into the horror poetry community unless you
dedicate yourself to the form. Jon and I also recognized we may be good
storytellers but not razor-sharp poets, though that fit the fact average people
were expressing themselves through poetry.
None of that mattered. Jon and I knew all that going into it
and didn’t care. We wanted to create something beautiful and horrific, and I
believe we succeeded. So while Children
of God hasn’t been widely read and likely never will, those who have read
it understood it and were affected by it. That for us was a big win. That’s
what we wanted. I’m really proud of it.
Moon: I concur
fully with Craig here. We knew it was experimental, and could be a hard sell
overall, but we were too excited to not follow it all through. None of my work
is written with hopes of massive sales or fame, just not my style. Most of my
own work is created just to get the story out of my head. I have a small crowd
of awesome and dedicated fans and as long as they are digging what I’m doing I
am fine. So far most who have read CoG have enjoyed it. I call that successful.
I too am proud of what we created together. I think our styles blend with the
cast of characters to the point I bet most people couldn’t pick which of us
created which characters. Just all gelled together.
What are you hoping to achieve with this book? Are you
pushing the boundaries of horror or experimenting with a mix of genres?
DiLouie: We wanted
to show the tragedy of horror coming from something beautiful being twisted,
while experimenting with many poetic forms to tell a story of faith and love
disintegrating into madness.
Moon: I definitely
feel like we focused on a more realistic form of horror, pulling it from
emotions which I think many people can relate to on one level or another. The cult members came from all walks of life,
each susceptible to the cult for their own reasons. To me we demonstrated how
most people, given the right circumstances, could be caught up in something
like this. For sure a new kind of terror for me to work with.
How many readers have confused this for nonfiction?
DiLouie: The
conceit is the survivors of a doomsday cult wrote the poems, which Jon and I
edited. This makes the poetry collection epistolary literature—“found footage
fiction.” Some readers have confused it with nonfiction. I’m conflicted about
it to be honest. While belief it’s real heightens the enjoyment a la The Blair Witch Project, I don’t like
fooling readers. Honestly, I’m hoping readers will add belief it’s real to
their willing suspension of disbelief, if that make sense.
Moon: I have had
more people ask me, “is this for real?”, than anything else I have ever written.
Will fans ever see another collaboration from the two of
you?
DiLouie: I enjoy
collaborating on works or series where each author does their own thing and it
all comes together. With Children of God,
this approach worked beautifully. That being said, I have so many projects on
the go I’m not sure how much time I have to contribute to any more
collaborative projects. If I do, I’d love to work with Jon again. He’s a good
storyteller, brings pride but not ego to his work, and has a wonderfully twisted
imagination and turn of phrase.
Moon: I also
really enjoyed working with Craig, and if the right idea cooked up between us I
would always be down to work with him again. It would have to be down the road
a bit because I am 8 kinds of busy right now. I have only collaborated with a
few people- Craig and Tim Long- both were wonderful experiences for me. Chances
to work with fantastic writers to create something together is all win.
What do you have planned for 2019?
DiLouie: This year,
I wrapped up my self-published WW2 series Crash
Dive, which sold very well, and next year I’ll be launching another. I also
enjoyed publication of my dark fantasy novel One of Us in hardcover, audiobook, and eBook from Orbit, one of the
best sci-fi and fantasy publishers in the world. In February, it’s coming out
in bookstores in trade paperback. This is a Southern Gothic misunderstood
monster novel author Claire North described as “The Girl with All the Gifts meets To Kill a Mockingbird,” which nails it. Then my next novel with
Orbit, Our War, will be published
later in 2019. This one is about a brother and sister forced to fight as child
soldiers on opposite sides of a second American civil war.
Moon: I will be earning my Master’s in Anthropology in 2019!
Fiction-wise I have a few projects just about ready to release, just held
captive by my own self-doubt. Between fall 2018 and summer 2019 I hope to
release my first collection of poetry (In Memory of Autumn Leaves), a
collection of all my work with Jordan Krall’s Dynatox Ministries, and two or
three novellas. I have an EPIC fantasy novel, okay two novels so far, I have
been working on for the last 3 or 4 years, hopefully 2019 will see it get
closer to done. Also, been working on a brutal and emotional population control
novel for a few years which I’ll have time to work on after I finish my
Master’s thesis.
Special thanks to DiLouie and Moon for making time for this interview! Once again, I am recommending
CHILDREN OF GOD to any readers interested in the cult phenomenon or any horror fans looking for something different from the usual slash and dash.
"A journey like none other that lives and breathes its progression of faith and destruction." ~HorrorNews.net
As always,
AstraDaemon